Comments on: Personal Agency and Women in Refrigerators http://www.pixiepalace.com/2009/09/29/personal-agency-and-women-in-refrigerators/ Talking about children\'s books and gender issues in stories and media Thu, 29 Jul 2010 08:57:48 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Scott Anderson http://www.pixiepalace.com/2009/09/29/personal-agency-and-women-in-refrigerators/comment-page-1/#comment-48490 Scott Anderson Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:39:33 +0000 http://www.pixiepalace.com/?p=3783#comment-48490 "Female heroes rarely have family members stuck in refrigerators." What would be your evidence of that? Just off the top of my head I could mention the following female characters who had a relative murdered as motivation: Tigra Wasp Donna Troy Scarlet Witch Zatana Raven Wonder Woman Starfire Snowbird Vindicator Black Widow Invisible Woman Ravager Kid Quantum Cameron Chase (Love her!) Hawkgirl Black Canary Huntress Electra Echo/Ronin I'm having trouble thinking of any female character who hasn't had a relative or love interest murdered/die. So what makes you say female heroes rarely have family members stuck in refrigerators? I don't see evidence of this. “Female heroes rarely have family members stuck in refrigerators.”

What would be your evidence of that? Just off the top of my head I could mention the following female characters who had a relative murdered as motivation:
Tigra
Wasp
Donna Troy
Scarlet Witch
Zatana
Raven
Wonder Woman
Starfire
Snowbird
Vindicator
Black Widow
Invisible Woman
Ravager
Kid Quantum
Cameron Chase (Love her!)
Hawkgirl
Black Canary
Huntress
Electra
Echo/Ronin
I’m having trouble thinking of any female character who hasn’t had a relative or love interest murdered/die. So what makes you say female heroes rarely have family members stuck in refrigerators? I don’t see evidence of this.

]]> By: Ira Mann http://www.pixiepalace.com/2009/09/29/personal-agency-and-women-in-refrigerators/comment-page-1/#comment-48230 Ira Mann Fri, 09 Oct 2009 19:42:26 +0000 http://www.pixiepalace.com/?p=3783#comment-48230 I don't like unhappy endings, even if it is a superhero or not. I like happy endings. Thanks. I don’t like unhappy endings, even if it is a superhero or not. I like happy endings. Thanks.

]]> By: Rosepixie http://www.pixiepalace.com/2009/09/29/personal-agency-and-women-in-refrigerators/comment-page-1/#comment-47749 Rosepixie Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:00:49 +0000 http://www.pixiepalace.com/?p=3783#comment-47749 I agree, Joe, but there needs to be more than that. Even when the character has to die, which sometimes they do, it needs to make sense and it needs to be more than just about the hero. Who else would be affected? Do her parents come to collect her body? Is there a funeral? Who attends it? Is anyone mad at the hero for her death, the way friends sometimes get mad at real life spouses when people dies? What did other heroes think of it? Did they know her? If it matters to him that much, make sure he doesn't forget about it three or four issues later when the story arc ends. It has to be as much about the person who died as the person left behind, since in the very act of killing them off you've made it their story too. I agree, Joe, but there needs to be more than that. Even when the character has to die, which sometimes they do, it needs to make sense and it needs to be more than just about the hero. Who else would be affected? Do her parents come to collect her body? Is there a funeral? Who attends it? Is anyone mad at the hero for her death, the way friends sometimes get mad at real life spouses when people dies? What did other heroes think of it? Did they know her? If it matters to him that much, make sure he doesn’t forget about it three or four issues later when the story arc ends. It has to be as much about the person who died as the person left behind, since in the very act of killing them off you’ve made it their story too.

]]> By: Eva http://www.pixiepalace.com/2009/09/29/personal-agency-and-women-in-refrigerators/comment-page-1/#comment-47748 Eva Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:37:31 +0000 http://www.pixiepalace.com/?p=3783#comment-47748 I think your last sentence pretty much sums up all the thought a number of writers give to their secondary and tertiary characters (of both genders). And it's a damn crying shame. I think your last sentence pretty much sums up all the thought a number of writers give to their secondary and tertiary characters (of both genders). And it’s a damn crying shame.

]]> By: Scarybug http://www.pixiepalace.com/2009/09/29/personal-agency-and-women-in-refrigerators/comment-page-1/#comment-47744 Scarybug Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:54:06 +0000 http://www.pixiepalace.com/?p=3783#comment-47744 Well for certain literal definitions of the word "ultimate" death does need to be involved. Well for certain literal definitions of the word “ultimate” death does need to be involved.

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